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d90king
15th April 2009, 12:59
THOUGHTS?!?!?!

Missouri Report On Militias: The Modern Day Militia !?!?!!?
The Associated Press
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COLUMBIA, Mo. A new document meant to help Missouri law enforcement agencies identify militia members or domestic terrorists has drawn criticism for some of the warning signs mentioned.

The Feb. 20 report called "The Modern Militia Movement" mentions such red flags as political bumper stickers for third-party candidates, such as U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, who ran for president last year; talk of conspiracy theories, such as the plan for a superhighway linking Canada to Mexico; and possession of subversive literature.

"It seems like they want to stifle political thought," said Roger Webb, president of the University of Missouri campus Libertarians. "There are a lot of third parties out there, and none of them express any violence. In fact, if you join the Libertarian Party, one of the things you sign in your membership application is that you don't support violence as a means to any ends."

But state law enforcement officials said the report is being misinterpreted.

Lt. John Hotz of the Missouri State Highway Patrol said the report comes from publicly available, trend data on militias. It was compiled by the Missouri Information Analysis Center, a "fusion center" in Jefferson City that combines resources from the federal Department of Homeland Security and other agencies. The center, which opened in 2005, was set up to collect local intelligence to better combat terrorism and other criminal activity, he said.

"All this is an educational thing," Hotz said of the report. "Troopers have been shot by members of groups, so it's our job to let law enforcement officers know what the trends are in the modern militia movement."

But Tim Neal, a military veteran and delegate to last year's state GOP convention, was shocked by the report's contents.

"I was going down the list and thinking, 'Check, that's me,'" he said. "I'm a Ron Paul supporter, check. I talk about the North American union, check. I've got the 'America: Freedom to Fascism' video loaned out to somebody right now. So that means I'm a domestic terrorist? Because I've got a video about the Federal Reserve?"

Neal, who has a Ron Paul bumper sticker on his car, said the next time he is pulled over by a police officer, he won't know whether it's because he was speeding or because of his political views.

"If a police officer is pulling me over with my family in the car and he sees a bumper sticker on my vehicle that has been specifically identified as one that an extremist would have in their vehicle, the guy is probably going to be pretty apprehensive and not thinking in a rational manner," Neal said. "And this guy's walking up to my vehicle with a gun."

But Hotz said using factors in the report to determine whether someone could be a terrorist is not profiling. He said people who display signs or bumper stickers from third-party groups are not in danger of harassment from police.

"It's giving the makeup of militia members and their political beliefs," Hotz said of the report. "It's not saying that everybody who supports these candidates is involved in a militia. It's not even saying that all militias are bad."

Posted on Sat, Mar. 14, 2009 02:22 PM

LINK:
http://www.kansascity.com/news/brea...ry/1086524.html
Additional LINKS:
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news...ver-assertions/

KCShooter
15th April 2009, 13:32
As a Kansas City, MO metro area resident, I wish I was more suprised by this.

Rich-D
15th April 2009, 14:31
That is way out there! Much too far from my reasoning!

Rich

d90king
15th April 2009, 14:49
I actually find this kind of stuff very upsetting. If you are labeled based upon political views, religious beliefs etc...

We as a Country have full protection from our government from things like this.....

wbb
21st April 2009, 22:12
Stuff like this is scary, let's see, with all of the radical muslims here in the U.S., lets keep an eye on all these Ron Paul supporters.

Aguila Blanca
21st April 2009, 22:32
This clearly shows that "government" is pretty far down the road on an agenda of control. Any group or loose amalgamation of individuals who do not toe the line and adhere strictly to the endorsed political view is viewed as "the enemy." Reminding "government" that it is supposed to serve you, and that the Constitution (and the constitutions of the several states) is/are supposed to restrict the government and not the citizens is VERY frightening to those in power.

Frank
25th April 2009, 23:56
A long standing human tradition -- from the "red baiting" of the '50s to the "conservative baiting" of today.

Jeff Cooper used to talk about the anti-gun crowd in terms of a form of psychopathology (i. e., nut jobs). He called it hoplophopia. He used to talk about its roots being the envy of those who can't cope for those who can (or at least are willing to try). He used to point out that, in general, honest folk who had guns were prepared and willing to try to handle things themselves, if necessary. I guess that's scary to the guy who doesn't know how to change a tire and has to rely on the Auto Club if he gets a flat.

d90king
26th April 2009, 08:51
I guess that's scary to the guy who doesn't know how to change a tire and has to rely on the Auto Club if he gets a flat.

I still call Rover's roadside.... :eb: and wait a minute does your car even have a spare. :lm:

Mannlicher
26th April 2009, 16:03
From what I have read, the 'report' has been retracted, and some red faced officials were reprimanded.

Frank
26th April 2009, 16:10
From what I have read, the 'report' has been retracted, and some red faced officials were reprimanded. I hope so. That would be a good result.

John
27th April 2009, 07:31
From what I have read, the 'report' has been retracted, and some red faced officials were reprimanded.

Reprimanted? Like slap their hands? Good Lord! Reprimanted?!?!??

d90king
27th April 2009, 11:42
From what I have read, the 'report' has been retracted, and some red faced officials were reprimanded.
She should be FIRED! This is complete garbage being spewed by our government.....

holy roller
27th April 2009, 21:13
here where I live the Mexican Mafia hires teenagers from the Us as (hitmen). Once it came out in the local news that a hit man started killing men at the age of 13. Thank GOD we have 1 less hit man in the Valley.

d90king
27th April 2009, 21:22
here where I live the Mexican Mafia hires teenagers from the Us as (hitmen). Once it came out in the local news that a hit man started killing men at the age of 13. Thank GOD we have 1 less hit man in the Valley.
What are you talking about?

Rich-D
28th April 2009, 00:17
holy roller, if you can provide us with the news story, it will be much appreciated

I searched the Valley Morning Star and found one story about an American hitman hired by a Mexican Cartel

The Hitman being a 22 year old Mexican-American.

http://www.valleymorningstar.com/news/sentenced_47195___article.html/laredo_cartel.html


Rich

dogdollar
28th April 2009, 16:02
From what I have read, the 'report' has been retracted, and some red faced officials were reprimanded.
Suppressed, maybe......
DD

d90king
28th April 2009, 16:08
Suppressed, maybe......
DD

Certainly another way to look at it. ;)

Rich-D
28th April 2009, 16:13
Suppressed, maybe......
DD
DD, You sure have a way of clarifying a matter, in a word or two! :)

Rich