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Carole-K
15th April 2009, 10:33
An interesting article about Arney Duncan the new Secretary of Education in the U.S. from America's First Freedom magazine, published by the NRA.

Arne Duncan: Education at the Extremez (http://www.nrapublications.org/a1f/Duncan.html)

Duncan is the only Cabinet member who has actually won an award from the gun-ban lobby. The Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence (which, if it had to follow truth-in-labeling laws, would be called the Illinois Council Against Guns) presented Duncan with its "Man of the Year" award in October 2008.

At the awards ceremony, Duncan said that he could not yet accept the award because victory over guns had not yet been achieved. But he promised:
"We'll keep fighting the NRA, the gun makers, the gun dealers, the gangbangers and everyone else who refuses to accept the undeniable fact that guns and kids don't mix."

Quote cut for brevity

Duncan continued: "We'll fight them in Springfield, in the courts, in the community and even in the home."

It's hard to see how the data support a claim that banning the possession of handguns by law-abiding citizens has made Chicago safer. In the 2007-08 school year, 34 Chicago public school students were killed. (Not during school hours in school, but somewhere else.)

Duncan's solution? Ban all guns, everywhere. According to the Oct. 14, 2008, Chicago Tribune, Duncan said, "This is a public health epidemic. We are struggling to find the cure for aids, we are struggling to find the cure for cancer; we know the cure for this public health epidemic—getting rid of guns."

Duncan claims that in America, "We just value our right to bear arms more than we value our children, and our priorities are fundamentally backwards."

Emphasis added by me.

And people wonder why we choose the home education route? In another post I wrote about conditioning - our children are already being conditioned in school to believe that guns are evil. Somehow I doubt Arne Duncan, though much loved by the NEA, will improve that situation in the least.

d90king
15th April 2009, 10:53
You would have thought the first thing she would have done is make sure that the DC school vouchers were not taken away from those who desperately needed them.

The udder stupidity is remarkable..... DC spends close to 12k per student..... the vouchers were $7500 per student and the private school ate the difference of their educational cost variance.

Mannlicher
15th April 2009, 12:54
Being a gun hating liberal never was about being 'smart or dumb', its always been about control.

Rich-D
15th April 2009, 13:21
"Being a gun hating liberal never was about being 'smart or dumb', its always been about control."
Mannlicher

I Like it!
Rich

kenhwind
15th April 2009, 14:42
As my brother likes to say "Amoebas"
I second Rich's motion.
I like it to

d90king
15th April 2009, 18:12
"Being a gun hating liberal never was about being 'smart or dumb', its always been about control."
Mannlicher

I Like it!
Rich
Its always about "control"!

flyfish
16th April 2009, 05:13
It seems like stupidity is reaching critical mass. To have someone involved in education at that level actually that uninformed should worry everyone.

Tom
17th April 2009, 13:01
I had a clash with one of the scientists here where I work yesterday. My coworkers and I were talking about guns and ammo in the breakroom when he came in to get coffee. He over heard our conversation and said "I hope you guys don't come in one day and start shooting us". I was deeply offended by that comment and told him that I didn't appreciate being labeled like that; that just because I own guns that that makes me some sort of deranged individual who would perform such a violent act.

This was clearly a liberal. He's all for gun control. He wants the limiting the types and number of weapons that can be bought by an individual. He believes that our guns are spilling into Mexico and the reason for all the violence there. He believes that only military and para-military should carry weapons because they are the only ones "trained" to do so. He is against "assault weapons" and doesn't not see why anyone would need one to hunt. He believes that any gun can, with ease, be turned into an assault weapon. And he also said (not surprisingly) that he opposes gun in schools and other educational centers (such as where I work).

I posed a scenario to him that I've used with other people I work with, using the VA Tech shooting as an example. I asked him if someone came down the hall, killing people in each office he came to, was stopped by an armed co-worker in an office between you and him, would you be grateful. At first he was saying "I'd just barricade the door" but when I pressed him he finally said he'd be grateful - but then went back to the "no guns in schools" mantra.

He believes that during the AWB of the Clinton era that violent crime went down, and when the ban lapsed, crime went back up. Now I've read articles in my NRA magazine that clearly state the obvious, but I'd like to collect some non-biased information to give to this guy that disproves his position.

Any thoughts?

KCShooter
17th April 2009, 13:08
http://www.gunfacts.info/


Assault Weapons Ban - Briefing Book (PDF) : http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/misc/AWBrief.pdf

Thoughts On Gun Control Legislation (PDF, 180K): http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/misc/flyer/GunControlBrochure6.pdf