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DoubleTap45
30th April 2010, 13:02
The liberal mindset of the hoplophobes is truly a glimpse into the world of Lewis Caroll. If you go down the Lefty rabbit hole you have to leave reality behind.

I'm talking about the caterwauling in VA over the availability of the Eddie Eagle program to educators who want to reduce the risks of gun accidents among children. For a party that does everything "for the children" they have a bizarre way of showing it.

They have trotted out the old comparison between Eddie Eagle and Joe Camel for about the 129th time. HOW you can compare Eddie Eagle (who wears NO emblem and tells kids to AVOID a gun they find) with Joe Camel whose sole raison d'etre is to entice another generation of kids to smoke cigarettes?

About 16 years ago I was a consultant to the now-defunct Prodigy Information Services. I was also a member. On the Second Amendment politics board we had a gaggle of mouth foaming anti-gunners you'd have to read to believe. One was a PEDIATRICIAN in WA State. He used to proclaim that "We pediatricians will end the NRA reign of urban terror!". I kid you not.

Another poster had to be banned for promoting violence. He used to log on and screech that he wanted to "drag all you gun-toting Neanderthals out in the street for summary execution including your families to remove your violent tendencies from our gene pool". Nice "rational peaceful" liberal, right?

Then I read somewhere that HCI was trying to create their own fear-based answer to Eddie Eagle and SELL it to school boards. What's worse was that these boards, which were cash-strapped to begin with, were eager to spend money on an inferior program rather than take what the NRA was offering for free!! Their reasoning seemed to be to avoid any connection with the "evil gun mongering NRA" and to prevent the NRA from getting any positive press.

This is like the campaign by PeTA, HSUS and other anti-hunting groups to keep the donations of THOUSANDS of pounds of venison to the homeless out of the media. It does not advance their narrative which is already written. :dead_hors

-Ray

Patriotic
30th April 2010, 20:29
I think the saying goes something like “they want to cut off their nose to spite their face”. The true Liberals I know are the most irrational, narrow minded people I have ever met. I hate to say it but my wife and two kids have bought into the Progressive/Liberal mind set but I am working on them.

DoubleTap45
30th April 2010, 21:40
Beck's "Arguing with Idiots" and Mark Levin's "Liberty v. Tyranny" are GREAT places to start. Beck's book SHREDS the Progressive movement and Mark's book is the BEST guide to conservatism every written!!!!

-Ray

Patriotic
1st May 2010, 03:29
I am reading Beck’s book now and will have to see if I can get Levin’s book. I want my family to read Beck’s book but that that Liberal mind set blocks anything with Beck’s name on it. Funny they will read Hillary and Bill Clinton’s books but nothing written by a conservative. I am just as stubborn on the Clinton books. Maybe I can strike a deal to read their books if they read mine.

DoubleTap45
1st May 2010, 12:45
Beck, like EVERYONE on the Right, has been so demonized that most libs have total brainlock on the subject. The part about the staffer getting a NYC permit is NOT an exaggeration. Trust me.

Levin's book dissects the Statist mindset perfectly and Beck skewers the Progessive Movement, particularly Wilson the racist, quite well. The services had been de-segregated since the Spanish-American War but Wilson RE-segregated them.

-Ray

Aguila Blanca
2nd May 2010, 15:17
About 16 years ago I was a consultant to the now-defunct Prodigy Information Services. I was also a member. On the Second Amendment politics board we had a gaggle of mouth foaming anti-gunners you'd have to read to believe. One was a PEDIATRICIAN in WA State. He used to proclaim that "We pediatricians will end the NRA reign of urban terror!". I kid you not.
No, you aren't kidding ... and they haven't gone away. There have been multiple discussions on The High Road forum about pediatricians getting young kids away from the accompanying parent and either asking the kid about GUNZ! in the home, or telling the kid that GUNZ! are bad and dangerous. I have been constantly disappointed to see that comparatively few pro-RKBA people on THR agree with me that a pediatrician delving into such matters is guilty of a boundary violation.

Most of them, of course, are rabid antis and thus know nothing about firearms, firearms safety, or self defense. Yet they profess to know better than the parent what's "right" and "wrong" about firearms in the home. Ultimately, it extends beyond pediatricians. The AMA is on a crusade to eliminate guns, and one of their stratagems is to make guns into an epidemiological issue. Once it becomes accepted as an epidemiological issue, it becomes fair game for doctors. And for the government.

Any of you who have children being cared for by pediatricians, I strongly advise two things: First, never EVER leave the child alone with the doctor. (And some recent stories about pediatricians who spent decades sexually abusing their patients offers another reason for this). Second, while at home be sure to discuss with the child what is and what is NOT appropriate for a doctor to be asking. Personally, if I had young children I would instruct them that if anyone asked about guns in the home, they should lie. "Guns are scary. We don't have anything like that."

Let's face it: Circular saws are dangerous. Chain saws are dangerous. Power drills are dangerous. Rotary lawn mowers are incredibly dangerous. None of them are claimed to be "epidemiological" issues, and pediatricians don't ask about or lecture the kids about those. GUNZ! are singled out not because they are inherently dangerous (they are, but so are other things), but because the hoplophobic AMA wants to eradicate personal ownership of firearms.

If you can possibly find a family doctor who is a shooter ... do so.

DoubleTap45
2nd May 2010, 17:16
I used to be an Asst. Scoutmaster. One of the most popular events was when I and three others took the kids to the archery and .22 ranges. You could not pry the bow or gun out of their hands once they got the hang of it!!

I think pediatricians should be screened for more than mere technical training. Most are women and in urban areas that's a double problem. I'd prefer to take a kid to a Dr. who was involved in Scouting and 4-H personally. Less stupidity.

We had a few get the merit badges for shooting and archery also. This was in the Seventies when we'd go for 2 full weeks to the Catskills and the kids would be at the ranges EVERY day. They'd do the non-shooting stuff at home, take a partial and complete the shooting parts with the aid of the counselor.

When I go to the range at Peekskill with my muzzleloader I always let some kid, with Dad's approval, take a few shots with my flintlock. The downside, for Dad, is that they soon want him to get one so they can shoot it together. I tell them to get a Lyman Great Plains, T/C Hawken or a Blue Ridge in a small caliber caplock because the flinter is more demanding. Nothing worse than having them spend half their range time trying to get a flinter to fire till they really know how.

-Ray

R.D.Wylie
3rd January 2012, 13:06
I think every kid should learn to shoot it teaches them gun safety and as far as
KIDS DR'S {THE PEDIS} I have no them,we may be posting in the wrong area, I
really don't want to get wound up,especilly when it comes down to BILL & HILLARY
'COMMY"" CLINTON. TO many liberals have said the wrong things especially to the
NRA, people like the NRA AND FRONT SITES DR. IGNASTIUS PIEZZA HAVE DONE
more for the 2nd amd than many others! .