Obama Wont Reinstate The AWB !?!?!?!?!

[d90king]

A link to Robert Gibbs addressing Helen Thomas about the AWB. You can tell he is uncomfortable. Some how I am more afraid of his "other measures"....

http://www.politicususa.com/en/Obama-Assault-Weapons-Ban

[kenhwind]

I'm sure the're planning something, I just watched the 60 minutes clip with Senater Feinstein, and it seems by her expressions that she's got something up her sleave.
President Obama can do some damage without Congress for sure, but he seems to be waiting for an oppurtunity.

[denton]

If I read Heller correctly, an AWB would be unconstitutional on its face.

Scalia's reasoning for handguns applies perfectly well to semi-auto rifles as well. They are a class of firearms commonly held by US citizens for purpose of self defense, and are therefore protected under 2A.

My understanding of the present situation is that the tide is running in our favor. Public support for handgun bans has declined steadily for 50 years. Public support for tighter controls on guns has reached a new low, after a slow decades long decline. A large majority of Americans understand that 2A means exactly what it says.

My explanation of this state of affairs is that when the antis provoke a debate, they tend to lose. The facts are on our side. When people listen to the debate, they side with us slightly more often than not. The effect is slow and cumulative.

What we need to do is be constantly vigilant and to keep playing the game the way we have been. It won't be easy, but the worst of our gun laws will eventually fade away.

Yes, the antis will continue to try every back door and underhanded method they can. But the overarching fact is that we are prevailing and they are not.

[kenhwind]

The problem is that the gungrabbers ain't interested in the facts.
Legislation can be passed and then it has to be challenged in court.
Heller was not a one sided victory, but it certainly does help out.
Unfortunately there are a lot of people that honestly believe that only somebody else's gun are going to be banned.
They really want to ban guns, all of them.
President Johnson wanted to ban handguns, his advisers thought otherwise.
jimmy Carter wanted to do the same.
I agree with you and like you wrote, they will try anything legal or not.

[Rich-D]

I like this line in the article:

"If Obama does decide not to revive the ban, it would be a major blow to his critics on the right, who have been spreading rumors that Obama is out to take everyone’s guns away."

IMHO: It is the kind of major blow we can tolerate and look forward to more!


Rich

[Chilo45]

When the abundance of "left over campaign money" begins to dry up, the Democrats will be looking for more cash and that's when a push for the AWB will get into full swing. They haven't been in (total) power yet but when they get their 59th vote in the senate (from Minn.) and when the $$$ dry up the move will begin. It is one of the easiest ways for them to get donations towards the cause from so many under-educated citizens who do not comprehend the 2nd Amendment.

As so many have said prior to me, we don't need gun control; we need law enforcement towards those who violate the law - and no more of the nambi-pambi style judicial enforcement. DO the crime - Do the time / Use a gun / lose all your fun.

And as a note to the administrators of this site - great work on having a spell-check system built in. Years of catholic school + journalism classes have made me into a William Safire want-to-be.

[Rich-D]

And the 59th Senator would be none other than Saturday Nite Live Comedian (1975-2008) and Ultra Liberal. Al Franken. However, I fail to find any humor in the fact that he may be judged the winner of the disputed election.


Rich

[kenhwind]

The plan seems to be to outlaw ammo, and not guns IMO.

[d90king]

The plan seems to be to outlaw ammo, and not guns IMO.
I do believe that this is a area that they will try and exploit.

[d90king]

And the 59th Senator would be none other than Saturday Nite Live Comedian (1975-2008) and Ultra Liberal. Al Franken. However, I fail to find any humor in the fact that he may be judged the winner of the disputed election.


Rich
Makes me throw up in my mouth every time I think about it!

[Frank]

If I read Heller correctly, an AWB would be unconstitutional on its face....We can't take that for granted. Remember my discussion of the standards applied to evaluate whether a particular regulation of a constitutionally protected right is permissible (http://www.gun-politics.org/showpost.php?p=725&postcount=32 ). The government will get a chance to make its pitch if an AWB is enacted and then challenged. A lot may depend on exactly how an AWB is written.

The devil is always in the details.

[d90king]

Funny, I was rereading the decision last night, I only got to page 22 though. :sleep:

As Frank said the devil is in the details.......

[Frank]

The worst part of law school was that the books had no pictures.

[Mannlicher]

The only thing you need to know on this issue of Obama not pushing at THIS POINT IN TIME for a new AWB, is that he will, sooner or later, go for it.
Gun control is a pivot point in the lefty agenda. Without confiscation, they can't wrap the package up.

[d90king]

The only thing you need to know on this issue of Obama not pushing at THIS POINT IN TIME for a new AWB, is that he will, sooner or later, go for it.
Gun control is a pivot point in the lefty agenda. Without confiscation, they can't wrap the package up.


I just don't know to be honest with you, all signs point to him giving it a shot based on his record and stated opinions in the past. But I really do not know if he can muster the votes. There are a fair amount of Democrats that supports 2a and I do believe that there is an outside chance that Pelosi and Reid are both smart enough to know the consequences of trying to do to much. They love their power to much to give it up, they risk that by adding this to the pile of things they would like to implement. Green and Insurance etc seem to be their focus right now.

The monkey wrench is midterm elections, because they are still up in the air, you really don't know who will be voting when it is proposed. If Congress continues to do what they are doing, there is a good chance that there will be people filling seats that at one time you would have thought that "legacy", would have had that chair locked up until they got to old to sit in it anymore.

One truly doesn't know, that is why we all must stay vigilant day in and day out in protecting our right to bear arms.

[KimberCowboy1911]

+1 to D90King on that one.

I do think we are safe at least until the mid-term elections, and possibly this whole presidential term, due to the fact of the votes that were mentioned earlier. If Obama wants to maintain a Dem control, the AWB is the last thing he would talk about before mid-terms. Then, if he wants to run again, he risks that same backlash as many Democrat voters would also oppose restrictions on the 2a. Does anybody know if the ACLU is still on the 2a side? Or have they wavered? I honestly don't keep up with their shenanigans anymore, but that is one powerful lobby to have on our side.

[Rich-D]

The Houston Chronicle April 20, 2009, 9:29PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/6383351.html

However, other politicians still persist! Our guard must be up to par!

Rich

[daveohno]

Interesting reading, but as all politicians with boneheaded ideas, the idea, if it is unpopular at the moment, they just work on something else for now and the bad idea percolates in the background waiting to be brought back out again. They never abandon the bad idea, they like it, they support it and they are waiting for the right moment to make the boneheaded idea a law we must obey. The only people that would obey these stupid laws are us, because we obey the law. Criminals simply ignore it.

[daveohno]

The monkey wrench is midterm elections, because they are still up in the air, you really don't know who will be voting when it is proposed. If Congress continues to do what they are doing, there is a good chance that there will be people filling seats that at one time you would have thought that "legacy", would have had that chair locked up until they got to old to sit in it anymore.

One truly doesn't know, that is why we all must stay vigilant day in and day out in protecting our right to bear arms.

Here in northern Illinois, once you get a house seat, if one is a Democrat, there is absolutely NO WAY you will ever be voted out of office if you toe the dem line. These offices are like a land grant, it's yours forever no matter what you do. The only seats that are ever in play is the one Republican US Senate seat that happens from time to time. We can look forward to Dick Durbin (D-IL) until he decides he doesn't want to be a Senator anymore. By rights, after the Blago governorship, in a normal state, the governorship would change hands to a Republican this coming election. I sincerely doubt it will, but of course, one of the leading Republicans thinking about running is a gun control guy.... There must be something in the water here that makes people permanently stupid. I have to laugh, the criminals here now run the country..... If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny.

[kenhwind]

I cannot help but think that President Obama will sign any form of legislation, or treaty that will deny the good people "The Right to Keep and Bear Arms".

[d90king]

Here in northern Illinois, once you get a house seat, if one is a Democrat, there is absolutely NO WAY you will ever be voted out of office if you toe the dem line. These offices are like a land grant, it's yours forever no matter what you do. The only seats that are ever in play is the one Republican US Senate seat that happens from time to time. We can look forward to Dick Durbin (D-IL) until he decides he doesn't want to be a Senator anymore. By rights, after the Blago governorship, in a normal state, the governorship would change hands to a Republican this coming election. I sincerely doubt it will, but of course, one of the leading Republicans thinking about running is a gun control guy.... There must be something in the water here that makes people permanently stupid. I have to laugh, the criminals here now run the country..... If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny.
Sadly there are many of those pockets throughout the country. :butthead: Remember Pa keeps electing guys like Murtha and Spector, throw a Rendel into the mix and you have a real Mensa club. :lm:

[d90king]

I cannot help but think that President Obama will sign any form of legislation, or treaty that will deny the good people "The Right to Keep and Bear Arms".
He will if given the opportunity. :nono: