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Dial 1911 for Help
30th September 2009, 12:24
The Supreme Court announced this morning it will hear a challenge to Chicago's gun restrictions that will determine if local handgun bans are legal.

Last year, the high court ruled the 2nd Amendment gave individuals the right to possess firearms and struck down Washington, D.C.'s gun bans.

Left open was the question of whether states and local governments are required to do the same.

But the court said today it will review a lower court ruling in the case of McDonald vs. City of Chicago that upheld a handgun ban in Chicago. That action court potentially could set in motion a nationwide re-establishment of the right to bear arms. The case will be argued next year.
With the court's action today, Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association, said his organization has a good chance at reversing the city's ban. The rifle association is a party to the McDonald suit.

"All the ban does is prevent law-abiding citizens from protecting themselves," Pearson said. "It has no affect on the criminals at all."

If anything, not allowing citizens to carry guns puts criminals at an advantage, Pearson said.

City officials were not immediately available for comment.

In the high court's decision in June of last year, it ruled 5-4 for the first time that the 2nd Amendment establishes the right to own a handgun for personal self-defense, not only as part of a state militia.

Mayor Richard Daley immediately condemned the court's decision and vowed to fight any attempt to invalidate the city's now 27-year-old gun ban.

Hours after the court's decision, the Illinois State Rifle Association sued Chicago and Daley in an attempt to overturn the ban.

One of the plaintiffs is Otis McDonald, an elderly man who last year lived in the Morgan Park area and told the Chicago Tribune he keeps a shotgun at home to protect himself from gangs that plagued his neighborhood.

After the court ruled in the Washington, D.C., case, Morton Grove, Wilmette, Evanston and Winnetka dropped their gun bans, in large measure to fend off costly lawsuits.

In the McDonald case, Judge Frank Easterbrook, an appointee of President Ronald Reagan, said that "the Constitution establishes a federal republic where local differences are to be cherished as elements of liberty rather than extirpated in order to produce a single, nationally applicable rule."

"Federalism is an older and more deeply rooted tradition than is a right to carry any particular kind of weapon," Easterbrook wrote.

Evaluating arguments over the extension of the 2nd Amendment is a job "for the justices rather than a court of appeals," he said.

The high court took his suggestion today.

Justice Sonia Sotomayor, then an appeals court judge, was part of a three-judge panel in New York that reached a similar conclusion in January.

Judges on both courts -- Republican nominees in Chicago and Democratic nominees in New York -- said only the Supreme Court could decide whether to extend last year's ruling throughout the country. Many, but not all, of the constitutional protections in the Bill of Rights have been applied to cities and states.

The New York ruling also has been challenged, but the court did not act on it Wednesday. Sotomayor would have to sit out any case involving decisions she was part of on the appeals court. Although the issue is the same in the Chicago case, there is no ethical bar to her participation in its consideration by the Supreme Court.

Several Republican senators cited the Sotomayor gun ruling, as well as her reticence on the topic at her confirmation hearing, in explaining their decision to oppose her confirmation to the high court.

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d90king
30th September 2009, 15:28
I would have liked them to hear NYC also... If it is settled in Chicago would that in turn settle NY?

Dial 1911 for Help
30th September 2009, 17:36
Not sure. I think there are some issues in the NY case that are different from McDonald, the IL case. Did they refuse cert on the NY case ("Cuomo" I think) or just haven't made a decision yet?

DoubleTap45
2nd October 2009, 13:38
That lying, hoplophobic, three-faced, wannabe Nazi control freak KNOWS it too. This guy BOUGHT his first two terms being the 17th richest man in the world. Then he got the City Council (a parliament of miscreants if there ever was one) to throw out the WILL OF THE PEOPLE who in 2000 VOTED to limit the mayor to two consecutive terms. :butthead:

This is the guy who wants to ban smoking IN CENTRAL PARK!! That park is bigger than the country of Monaco. He is an all controlling nut job but still better than lurks out there if you can believe THAT.

If the case flies as Gura intends, then the 14th Amendment is invoked universally in the Union. That means states and localities MUST abide the Second Amendment just as the Federal Government now has to under Heller. I do hope he brings a successful suit against New York just to see the toilets back up on the Upper East Side where the only paper is the Slimes, the drink is a white wine spritzer and getting outdoors is walking you papillon. :dead_hors

-Ray

Dial 1911 for Help
2nd October 2009, 13:42
No, really, tell us how you feel about Bloomie! :appld:

DoubleTap45
2nd October 2009, 20:42
Have I left anything out? :butthead:

-Ray

Chilo45
5th October 2009, 13:38
Have I left anything out? :butthead:

-Ray
With a screen name like DoubleTap45, shouldn't your animated avatar be of two shots ? ? ? ?

DoubleTap45
6th October 2009, 22:53
WHEN it becomes available here!!! I was watching Alan Gura on Beck's show. I am currently taking a first level Constitutional Law class. When Beck asked him about the conflict of forcing a state to recognize the rights clearly indicated in Heller I was mentally yelling "FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT"!!!! :eb:

We don't even need to go to the "Equal Protection Clause" yet. The 14th was passed in the aftermath of the Civil War to prevent what in fact happened. The states went and passed "Jim Crow Laws" to oppress the freed slaves. The SCOTUS relied heavily on the 14th Amendment to strike down segregation. :cool:

The Bill of Rights binds the Federal government by clarifying and specifying the pre-existing rights that free people had AGAINST the government. The 14th then bound the STATES to the Bill of Rights on a number of points. Gura is trying to make the case that it's time to bind the States to the Second Amendment as well. :D

Ray

DoubleTap45
7th October 2009, 21:19
There's an ongoing situation in a FL college similar in potential to the VA Tech incident. The college as of noon was on lockdown. Not only does this turn the students into fish in a barrel it is a psycho's dream. The media are waiting with bated breath for a bloodbath to ensue while the SCOTUS is hearing the MacDonald case. Those jackals have no shame, sense, dignity nor integrity. :dead_hors

-Ray

Dial 1911 for Help
8th October 2009, 01:11
Shame? They're probably staging it to try to make it impossible for SCOTUS to do the Constitutional thing. If I were on SCOTUS, I'd tell them in so many words to go screw themselves. Course that's only one of the many reasons I'll never be ON the court. Plus, it's not the principled justices they'd be trying to sway, it's Kennedy.

DoubleTap45
8th October 2009, 07:35
I work in medical research but want out so I'm taking a lot of law courses and criminal justice. I'm an ABA-certified paralegal but in NY City without a 4 year sheepskin you can't get hired. In the process I've learned how to read the full decisions.

The conservatives can ALWAYS point to either the CONUS or another case which involves clearly settled law firmly grounded in the CONUS. My big gripe with Sotomayor is that in most of her decisions she CAN'T point to a case or section of the CONUS and she just vamps all over the place. :mad: In 1997 Rush WARNED us about her!! He said "If she is confirmed and we get the wrong guy in the White House she'll be on a rocket ship for the Supreme Court." Prophecy or what?

-Ray

Dial 1911 for Help
18th October 2009, 14:38
October 15, 2009

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- After the U.S. Supreme Court granted full review to examine the case of McDonald v. Chicago and whether or not Second Amendment rights should be protected from undue state and local restrictions, Ohio Attorney General Richard Cordray announced he would join in the arguments.

“It was important for the United States Supreme Court to hear McDonald v. Chicago, because the case involves one of our most fundamental constitutional rights and whether that right will be given full meaning to all Americans, in light of the Court's landmark decision last year in District of Columbia v. Heller,” Cordray said.

Heller recognized that the federal government cannot infringe upon the Second Amendment right of individuals to keep and bear arms.

“Until now, the Court has only interpreted the Second Amendment to protect an individual's right to keep and bear arms against undue interference from the federal government,” Cordray said. “In McDonald, the Court will decide whether the Second Amendment is incorporated into the Fourteenth Amendment, so as to also apply to the states, protecting citizens from undue gun restrictions imposed by state and local governments.”

Cordray joined an amicus brief on July 7, 2009, asking the Court to take this case and decide whether the right of the people to keep and bear arms guaranteed by the Second Amendment is incorporated into the Fourteenth Amendment so as to apply to the states.

“We will join with other states in making clear that Second Amendment rights under the United States Constitution should be protected from undue restrictions imposed by state and local governments,” Cordray said.

The amicus brief argues that the right to keep and bear arms under the Second Amendment is not just a fundamental liberty interest. In the Anglo-American tradition, it is among the most fundamental of rights, because it is essential to securing all our other liberties. The Founders well understood that, without the protections afforded by the Second Amendment, all of the other rights and privileges ordinarily enjoyed by Americans would be vulnerable to governmental acts of oppression.

DoubleTap45
18th October 2009, 15:05
An A.G. taking OUR side? Boss Daly won't like that. :D

-Ray

DoubleTap45
20th October 2009, 13:44
Silence from the SCOTUS can be unnerving.

-Ray