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Martin32
26th September 2009, 16:40
The current law in Czech Republic is quite liberal, but very complicated, at first it seems to be very idiot-proof, but there are still some leaks, unclear parts or regulations, that only derogate law abiding gun owners.

This wikipedia article says a lot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_Czech_Republic
and I can confirm that it pretty much reflects the reality, I'm just gonna clarify some main points.

First, lets talk about guns, weapons, ammo, accessories and their legality:

A) - Restricted. Firearms, ammunition and accessories that are restricted to the army, police, special forces etc.
This category includes:
Firearms: Fully-automatic firearms, military weapons (cannons, rocket-launchers, ..), explosives, weapons with restricted integrated accessories.

Ammunition: Now this is one unclear point, because restricted ammunition is in gun law described as "short arms ammunition designed to cause more tissue disruption" (it's maybe not exacly like that, but in similar way). Now everybody can explain this to himself in a different way, what all kinds of ammunition does that 'designed to cause more tissue disruption' refer to. Usually it applies on Expanding Full Metal Jacket bullets and Jacketed Hollow Point bullets. Some may claim that Semi-Jacketed bullets, or FMJ bullets with special tip design, like this Fiocchi Black Mamba:
http://www.supra.cz/common/img/214205!1.jpg
meet that specification too, but it's not considered. These are legal.
Incendary, explosive, armor piercing ammunition, or ammunition with steel or depleted uranium core are restricted too. I think that makes sense, who shoots for sporting, doesn't need to set the target on fire, hunters dont need the game to explode, and who shoots for self-defense, doesn't need to perforate next ten people behind the aggressor :).
Restricted ammunition is legal to own for collecting without permit "in only a small quantity". What is meant to be the "small quantity" is again not clearly explained.

Accessories: Laser aiming modules. Now this is stupidity #3 (no. 1the restriction on EFMJ or JHP and such, #2 is the full-auto restriction, why I tell later). Almost all gun owners agree that laser could be very helpful in defensive situations, when good aim is neccesary and aiming through basic sights is not very easy in such critical stress situation. Funny thing is, that laser aiming modules are only illegal on a firearm, you can still sell, buy have or carry them, but you cant have them attached to any gun. Laser sights are usually sold under name "laser pointer". The facts, that these laser pointers cost a lot more than usually, and have mounting rails on them, are just coincidence .. :D

Sound suppressors. Another dumb regulation. But explain it to politics, that who wants to have silencer legally, doesn't want to use it for crime ... again, these are illegal to be mounted on firearsm, but you can have them. Any skilled handyman can make himself one, and if you need an explanation for the police, you can say "its not a silencer, it just looks like a silencer, but its an .. oil filter or something" and their investigation is over, because they got nothing on you.

And also telescopic sights with night-vision. Probably to prevent illegal hunting at night, but its not illegal to have separated NVGs and rifle with normal riflescope, so I'm not sure if that really works.

Category A is something that could be called like somthing between No-Issue and May-Issue. To obtain a restricted firearm, ammunition or accessory, you need a Gun-license and you have to apply for an Exemption at the police, and have particular reason for it. Acceptable reasons are: collecting (if you have museum, your chances are bigger than if you just want to fondle with that gun at home), or for "working in extremely dangerous occupation" ...
For common citizen, there is a chance of getting the exemption, but smaller than a chance of winning a lottery. The officer can just say "NO", and that's final. And he almost always does say no. It varies from every region, somewhere are better chances.
Owner of restricted firearm must let the police in for inspection of the security of the firearms.

Then, there is the category
B) It includes almost all the semi auto, repeating, single-shot, short, long, centerfire, rimfire firearms. Available for all Gun-license holders. For obtaining, a permit from the police is neccesary, and reasons may be collecting, sport, hunting, self defense, or occupation. This permit is like a shall-issue - I've never heard of anybody who wouldn't get the permit. Caliber, magazine capacity, or firearm layout is not relevant, there is no caliber limit (unless the firearm or ammunition of such caliber is restricted).

Category C)
Weapons of this category are single-shot rimfire rifles, airguns with muzzle energy exceeding 16J, mechanical guns with tensioning power over 150 N (bows, crossbows).
They can be sold to any Gun-license holder, and have to be registered at the police in no longer than 30 days after purchasing (I think).

Category D)
Mechanical guns up to 150N, airguns up to 16J, flobert firearms up to 7,5J, gas pistols*, paintball guns, airsoft guns**, and firearms, that are modified to be unable of firing***.
Available to anyone above 18 years, no license needed.

* Gas pistols are firearms chambered for rounds that shoot paralyzing substance like oleoresin capsicum, tear gas or such. They have an obstruction inside the barrel so they can't fire live ammunition, and made of low-quality material, so they fall apart when someone tries to drill that obstruction out. However, someone has claimed that he managed to turn such a gun into firearm, but its not worth the trouble. Using that gun with live ammunition is very dangerous, and altering guns without having gunsmith license is criminal offense. Bad guys still get a real gun, and legal citizens can get a normal gun legally, so this doesnt help anyone.

** Airsoft guns are to be sold to people over 18 years, but its not always observed. Nobody is really making a big deal of it, because airsoft guns barely exceed 1,5 J muzzle energy, and kids who play airsoft are aware of injury they may experience, so they usually wear eye protection of their own will. Like I said, noone makes a big deal of this, because it is not a big deal. There were some attempts to get airsoft guns banned, because right when they came on market, some children hurt their eyes, but it never passed. Time passed on, kids learned their lesson that they have to be more careful when playing with these, and so no horrors are happening.

*** There defunct weapons are to be found in almost every military surplus store in here. They usually have their trigger removed, the barrel is welded in so nothing can go throug, and have some holes drilled in, so they cant be fixed. Usually also includes welding the slide so it cant move, or cutting out a part of the chassis.


Pepper sprays, telescopic nightstics and electric paralysers are legal from 18 years, no permit or license neccesary. The legal age for selling such things is not always observed as well. It's just like with alcohol and tobacco :).

Knives of any kind are not a subject of any restriction. It's up to the dealer, if he sells it to you, or says "no, sorry, you're too young". Same with lighters, matches, batons, and such.

Now, I've said A, now its time for B, and thats the gun licenses.

There are bacically six categories for gun owners.
Applicant for the license must report to the police department where he applies for his license, then he must pass written and oral exam on gun legislature, and pass a shooting test, that takes place at nearest shooting range, with shotgun, pistol, and rifle, and also perform disassembly and assembly of an short gun.

A) For collecting purpose, museum activity or such (you can just say that you like to collect firearms, its not neccesary to actually have a museum). Minumum age is 18.
This category requieres lowest score from the shooting test. According to the new amendment, this is the only category that allows the application for exemption to obtain restricted firearms. Allows the holder to obtain and keep any arms of category A, B or C (of course the legal actions for obtaining are required).

B) For sportshooting or pastime shooting. You don't need to be member of any sport shooting association, but if you are, you can have this license from 15 years of age. Otherwise its from 18. Allows the possesor to obtain and keep any guns of category B or C, and any ammunition, except restricted ammunition (that only in small quantity)

C) For hunting. Available for anyone of at least 18 years of age, or 16 for members of high shools of hunting. Allows obtaining only long guns of category B or C. Hunting with short guns is not legal here. About ammo, I'm not sure with this, but I think that possesor of this license can obtain only ammo for the type of firearms he owns. Allows open carry of the long gun, but unloaded.

D) For person's occupation. Available since 21 years of age, thus for police, army, special forces. This is more complicated. Allows open carry of loaded firearm.

E) For self defense. Available since 21 years of age.
This license is something like permit to carry. I'm not sure if the holder of this license can obtain long guns, but I do know that he can only obtain ammo for the type of weapon he owns. Maximally two firearms can be carried on person.
Only this license allows the holder to concealed carry firearms, and carry them with loaded magazine and round in the chamber.
'Concealed' is considered that 'no part of the gun is left visible'. Everyone can interpret that to himself in a different way. One can hide the gun into a holster and under a jacket, or into specially designed satchel, or just put it behind the belt and cover it with T-shirt, and when no part of gun is visible, it is concealed, even though the outlines of the concealed gun might be seen.

It's usually better to conceal the gun properly so noone can tell you carry one, unless you care to be stared at as at some terrorist or criminal - it's because guns aren't very popular. Majority of Czech people doesn't even realize they have some right to keep and bear arms.
Czech gun-lobby Gunlex is doing its best to keep this rights, but our shooting community is not very large, and thats why it can't afford to do too much faux-pas, because naturally some fool would call for banning firearms immediately and with 'smartness' of our politicians, we would end up like Germany, or UK.
Excessive pacifism and pseudohumanism is the worst disease of the Europe, it alerady cost us World War II, and its probably gonna cost us even more.

Which also relates with another problem. The gun law here is not too bad, but worse problem is, the courts. Defense at the court is harder than the defense on the streets. I will write more about that later.

Dial 1911 for Help
26th September 2009, 19:10
Your synopsis of gun regs in Czech Republic is very interesting. You obviously took a while writing it and put a lot of effort in. Thank you very much.

Old Fashioned
26th September 2009, 19:38
Very interesting post. I would like to hear more from our members from countries other than the US. Interesting to learn that the Czech Republic has no restrictions on knives but here in the US you can get into trouble very quickly for carrying a knife with a blade too long or opening in the "wrong" way.

Martin32
27th September 2009, 03:59
I've read about that, but seriously, when knife opens by pressing a button, how makes it deadlier than a normal folding knife with a lockback.
And knives with blade too long - who would carry a machette on himself, it't too unwieldly and impractical. Any knife ban is nonsense in my opinion. Or actually any ban.

Worse part is, when you use a gun in self-defense in Czech republic, you are about to experience long lasting straining at courts. I remember a guy, who was defending himself against attacker, he fired a warning shot, but the attacker was drunk and he aggressively continued attack, so the guy shot him in his leg. Problem was that police didn't find the shell from the warning shot, and after the aggressor was shot, he acted the poor victim. It took years to dismiss the case, first they convicted the defender of a bodily harm, but he appealed to the Supreme court, where he finally was found not guilty, stating that "defender can use significantly greater force to repell the attack, then is the attack itself". But it took so long.

And there are lots of amendments, slowly, but still tightening the gun laws. Usually it means higher penalties for firearm related crimes.
But firearm related crime is not very serious problem here.
This table shows number of firearms owners and number of mudrers (overall, not just firearm-related) in past.
First column is year, second is number of legal firearm owners, and the last is number of murders.
http://www.dfens-cz.com/images/2008/gunfacts1.jpg

In year 2006, there were 855 reported crimes with firearms, from which 82 of them were committed with legally owned firearms. I should also note, that most of firearm related crimes were caused by hunters and their negligence - they like to have a noggin of jagermeister before they go hunting - which is what I also forgot to say, that carrying firearms and drinking is illegal. That's why I always rage when I read something like "some lawmakers would like a total ban on guns except police, military and hunters".
So the most problematic group of civilian firearm owners would get to keep their arms.

Martin32
29th September 2009, 06:36
Ad A) Restricted firearms: this category also includes so called "malicious" gun, e.g. firearms disguised as something else, and also Tasers (because of laser aiming, otherwise they would probably be legal)
I'm not sure, but it's possible, that ballistic knives are in this category too.

Aguila Blanca
30th September 2009, 14:25
And also telescopic sights with night-vision. Probably to prevent illegal hunting at night, but its not illegal to have separated NVGs and rifle with normal riflescope, so I'm not sure if that really works.
Does this include only "starlight" scopes (devices that amplify ambient light, or supplement it with infrared and special viewing devices) or are conventional telescopic sights that have illuminated reticles (crosshairs) also prohibited? What about red/green dot and reflex (holographic) sights?

Martin32
30th September 2009, 16:06
Scopes with illuminated reticle or light dot are legal, holographic sights and reflex sights are legal as well.

Illegal to use on firearms are scopes that amplify ambient light, and I think it includes infrared (thremal vision) viewing devices too.
Interesting is that all restricted accessories are only illegal to be mounted onto firearms without permission (an exemption from police, which is very hard to get), but legal to posses alone. You can have them here, but you can't use them for their intended purpose.

I bet there are some legal gunowners who got things like self-made silencer for CZ 452 rimfire rifle, or but as long as they don't do any trouble, noone cares.
Or airsoft players, they sometimes use laser sights, and again, noone cares. Accessories are not too much of a problem - you remove it from gun in ten seconds, and you're maybe suspicious, but not guilty.
But one thing is sure, no sane legal gunowner dares to convert semi-auto gun into full-auto. If anyone found that out, that would hit the fan.

Martin32
1st October 2009, 11:49
Appendix:
Quantity of guns and ammunition (except restricted ammunition) possesed by one person is not limited. Owners of more than two firearms of class B or C must store them in a lockable box or strongroom, that has to meet propriate standards (sometimes even lockers made of 1 mm thick sheet metal labeled "Gun safe" meet the standards, but for your own security, it's better to have gun safe that isn't very easy to crack).
Ammunition must stored in separate room - gun safes are usually made with one separate lockable chest inside, which is intended for storing ammo.

Weapons of category A always must be stored in a gun safe or strongroom, and local police is authorized to visit the house and check the security of held firearms of category A at any time.

Weapons of category D are not required to be stored in any safe or strongroom.

Martin32
17th October 2009, 17:29
Edit to the previous: According to the amendment to the law, now only holders of firearm license of class A (collegting, museum activity) can apply for exemptions to obtain firearms or accessories of class A(restricted).

To admins: sorry for multiple posts, I can't edit the previous ones.

Rich-D
17th October 2009, 20:08
I find your posts on the laws if your country interesting!

carsten1911
19th October 2009, 08:58
Hi Martin,

we share a common border! Germany calling you!

Czech is sort of a land of dreams for many of us here.
Gun-tourism is in full bloom, since civilians can get to shoot guns there they could not shoot over here. Some shooting-club buddies already were there.

Also many gun-related training is available in CZ which would be forbidden for civilians in Germany. Even German security firms offer CZ-based training.

Some German shooters (well, those who can afford) get themselves a house or flat inside CZ to have a fall-back-line if gun-laws-things get too hairy here.

Thanks very much for the write-up...it sure is interesting and may even have direct effects on me in one or the other way.

(Oh, and of course I need to tell that I see a CZ ZKM 452 lux in the future in my gun-safe :D )

Greetings

Carsten

Martin32
23rd October 2009, 13:06
Hi Carsten, how do you do?

It's nice to hear that Tschechien is a land of dreams for some of you, because sometimes it really can be a land of nightmares for some of us, you know :D, but sure there's always something positive. Anyway, I'm little surprised, I didn't really know about the gun-tourism. I hope I'll be able to get to Nurenberg for next IWA.

I wish you will have no excessive obstructions getting that rifle, because she sure is nice :).
So would I love to own some of German made arms, preferably H&K USP.

Have a good time and many accurate hits

Martin

carsten1911
26th October 2009, 03:41
Hi Martin,

if you come for the IWA tell me in advance. I live near Nuremburg and work directly there.
Maybe we can have a beer or two!
(Cant promise I find the time, though, wife is often working during the evenings I a have to have an eye on thes kids in that time, so I am not always mobile....)


Carsten

Martin32
30th November 2009, 12:01
I'm here again with newsflash.
Some (probably not very smart ones) lawmakers are trying to propose a law, that would make it mandatory to have guns (except for collector's pieces) technically checked periodically.
They are argumenting that shooters themselves, and people around them (including children, that always works - when someone says kids are in danger, anything will pass to "protect" them) are facing danger from "weapons that are in bad technical condition, some even over one hundred years old, which is why it's neccesary to establish periodical control that will increase the administrative and financial requirements on gun owners". Interesting is that noone of legal shooters seems to know anything that such study was being made, as it involves primarily them, which means that this is one of those dreamt-up statistics that most people wont dig at, becuase they'll be like "They said so, and besides, I don't have a gun, I don't need it, why anyone would?"

This periodical inspection would most likely include "tormenting" the firearm (testing it with rounds with more powerful powder fill) and stamping it with mark (dimenstions cca. 3x3 mm) that it passed the test, which in here is done by sort of a brutal way - the stamp is stricken on the frame, slide or barrel by pressing machine, no laser engraving, CNC milling or something like that. So if some weapon (most damagable would be probably guns with polymer frame) gets damaged by this stamping, they just say "it didn't withhold the testing" and your thousand dollar weapon is gone. That's nice, ain't it?
As if you had to put your car through mandatory technical testing, that would include reving the engine up to 6 or 7 thousand RPM, or ramming it in 10, 20 MPH into something and seeing if still works, and if it does, leaving some visible mark on your paintwork, and you hope it will be just a scratch. And if it won't pass, you better get more money and buy some more expensive car!!

They already tried to carry this proposal in 2003, luckily GUNLEX stood against and contradicted the arguments of the supporters of that law, so it didn't pass. Now they are trying again, so I guess it will be neccesary to write a letter to the representative in the parliament to vote nay for this proposal.

carsten1911
2nd January 2010, 17:01
Hi Martin,

my own gun has stamps all over it:

The barrel is stamped twice, the slide 4 times and the frame 2 times.
None of those stamps did hurt the gun, in fact, German guns always were heavily stamped. The stamps even add to the value for collectors(if the gun in question is an old military gun), because they help to reconstruc the gunsīs history.
Technically the stamping process is nothing to make an issue of...but of course the fact that "they" want to treat you guns in ways you dont approve IS an issue.

Our guns are stamped for proof firing and the importer. So once the gun has been stamped things are clear and the fun will only be stamped again it it has has significantly changed.

PERIODICALLY stamping however is a clear step to cutting into your rights...they soon will link periodocal inquiries to that whether you "need" that gun to that, no question.

I really hope your GUNLEX people keep on being successful.
You dont happen to have contact data for GUNLEX persons?
We have (had?) several tries to establish a "gun lobby" but up to now they all were "blessed" with mixed success. I sure hope we could create an efficient gun lobby here, too!

Good luck for you, dear neighbour!

Carsten

Aguila Blanca
3rd January 2010, 00:05
There are places in the United States that require a "safety inspection" of a firearm (or maybe it applies only to handguns -- I don't know because my state does not require it) before the owner is allowed to obtain a license or permit to possess the firearm. This so-called "safety inspection" usually seems to involve a clerical employee (or sometimes a uniformed police officer) who knows nothing at all about the gun in question picking it up, looking at it, writing down the make and serial number, and pronouncing it "safe." (I suppose the gun is supposed to recognize that its serial number is now on record and therefore it should not misbehave ... thus rendering it "safe.")

My state is less devious -- we simply require that the seller submit a state form documenting the sale -- one copy to the buyer's municipal police department, and one copy to the state police. It makes a strong argument for obtaining a C&R (Curio and Relics) license, becas=use with a C&R license anyone can legally purchase qualifying firearms directly, without going through a gun shop and thus without any requirement to file the state document.

Martin32
6th January 2010, 18:00
Hi Carsten and Aquila Blanca.
I suppose the date of the stamps on old military guns you mean correspond with the date of producing them, or date when they were adopted by army or such? If yes, then I understand it, if these are stamps made recently, then I don't see how it could be worth something, at least not now or in near future, maybe in a mean of decades, or centuries. However if a gun should have tens of stamps because of periodical stamping (and tormenting), I don't think thet I would like it.

About the gunlex, I don't know anyone personally, but there are some members who have their email adresses or phone numbers displayed there. The page is here (http://www.gunlex.cz/?page_id=230), here (http://translate.google.cz/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=cs&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gunlex.cz%2F%3Fpage_id%3D230&sl=cs&tl=en)translated by Google. I rather do it like that because I'm unsure if it wouldn't be rude to just copy their names and contacts and paste them to any forum. I hope you find it helpful.

Good luck for you too!


Anyway, another amendment to the penal law (or maybe whole new law itself) came in force in 1.1.2010. Some parts of it are related with arms. The new parts are bold.

1) Who without permission produces, obtains or supplies anybody, or keeps a firearm or its main part or parts or ammunition in greater quantity or restricted firearm accessory, will be sentenced by imprisonment for up to two years, banning of activity or confiscation of the thing or other asset value.

2) Same penalty shall be punished anyone who works in once functionless firearm into a state capable of fire, or implements changes on firearm bringing it into state capable of fire, or implements changes on firearm leading to improve its effectiveness, or who counterfeits, changes, covers up or removes original markings of the firearm used for identification.

3)Anyone who without permission
a) produces, obtains or supplies anybody, or keeps explosive in a quantity greater than small, weapons of mass effect, or parts essential for using such weapon, or
b) stockpiles, produces, obtains or supplies anybody, or keeps weapons or ammunition in considerable quantity,
will be sentenced by imprisonment for six months to five years

4) By imprisonment for two to eight years shall be sentenced offender who:
a) acts as stated in article 3) as a member of an organized group
b) acts as stated in greater range, or
c) acts as stated during the state of threat to the country or during the state of war


Some of it means just higher charges, but some things are whole new. The article #2 is somewhat unclear, because it's not defined what is understood by implementing changes on a weapon that improve its effectiveness, someone (not me) said that someone might think that it involves mounting things like riflescope, muzzle brake, compensator, flashlight, tritium or another better sights, tuning of the trigger resistance and such. Who knows how can they interpret it at the court?

I tried to translate the law best I could, and usage of "firearm" and "weapon" isn't random, I used firearms where they meant firearm, and weapon, where it was called just a weapon.

Another thing unexplained is, what is meant by "large quantity", "quantity greater than small" and such. It doesn't say "you can have 200 kilos of TNT at home not a little bit more".
There are thousand of such unexplained mysteries not only in gun law, but also in others. I'm starting to think, that lawmakers make such rubber laws because they will be able to bend it how it's good for them, in case they get in trouble with the law themselves, but common sheeple will never benefit any good of it. Maybe rather worse.

Al Lowe
10th January 2010, 10:51
Michigan used to require a "safety inspection" for handguns. This was basically double talk for handgun registration. They finally dropped the double talk, and the "inspection" part of the law last year.

You still have to register your handgun, and if you don't have a Concealed Pistol License (CPL), you have to get a Permit to Purchase a handgun, before you can buy one. The seller fills out the form (RI-60, if you have a CPL) and he keeps a copy.

The purchaser is given 3 copies, one he keeps, the other two he mails or drops off at the local Police/Sheriff's office within 10 days of buying the gun. It is also recommended that, you keep your copy of the form with the pistol for 30 days after purchasing it. Apparently it takes that long for the state police to get the info into the computer system.

Old Fashioned
10th January 2010, 19:01
Really crazy isn't it?

Al Lowe
11th January 2010, 09:13
The good part about the change in our laws, we don't have to running back and forth to the local LEO office to register the pistol anymore.

Rekladan
11th January 2010, 14:56
It seems that on the whole, gun laws over there are better than Greek ones, but the situation with gun mounted lights and lasers is eerily similar to ours...

Consider this: suppose you own a slightly modified Glock and you're taking part in an IPSC match, in Standard Division. Unlike USPSA rules, in IPSC fitting a non-permanent device on your pistol, as a means of adding weight, is allowed (it will start some heated arguments, though). So, you decide to fit your LEGAL flashlight-that's-actually-a-gunlight on your legally-owned Glock, leaving the light switched off... and now, you have an illegal gun in your hands.

Silly?

Dial 1911 for Help
11th January 2010, 18:50
"Silly?"

Well, it's a prior-restraint gun law, like most gun laws, so yeah.

A non-prior-restraint gun law would be a law against doing something that had a direct bad outcome, and not something that makes your gun seem more dangerous. Like a law saying you may not murder someone with a gun would not be a prior restraint law, because it's the result they're criminalizing, not the means. But those laws sound stupid because murdering people by any means is already illegal, so why a special law against doing so using a gun?

So as it turns out, both prior restraint laws (CCW licenses, caliber restrictions, no lasers, no high cap mags, etc.) and non prior restraint laws (you may not do this or that bad thing with a gun) end up being useless except to politicians who either want to disarm and tyrannize good people or want to make themselves look tough on crime.

Martin32
11th January 2010, 19:00
I still want to figure out the way the gun-grabbers think, if they really think that gun control is gonna help anything, or are they afraid of armed citizens.

Or maybe they don't really care about either one of that, but since guns have kinda bad reputation, they just use it to buy themselves more voters.

Dial 1911 for Help
11th January 2010, 20:04
There are all three types:

Sincere but stupid (or sometimes just ill-informed) -- your neighbor might fall into this category.

Wannabe tyrants -- Nancy Pelosi, possibly Obama

Finger in the wind. Have no particular values, principles, or beliefs, will say whatever it takes to get elected -- Bill Clinton (though he has a little of #2 in him as well)

Rekladan
12th January 2010, 02:33
Or maybe they don't really care about either one of that, but since guns have kinda bad reputation, they just use it to buy themselves more voters.There you go.

In 1997 in the UK, a phsychologically unstable individual who should not have been granted a gun license in the first place, killed a number of children and other people in a school. The government's response, was to ban virtually all firearms. This was the fastest way for them to be able to say: "We just removed X number of firearms from the streets".

Apparently, the idea of banning the tool that is used to do something bad (guns for gun crime, knives for 'knife crime - heard about that?) is beginning to look stupid to some members of the general public. In a conversation between a group of TV presenters in the UK, someone mentioned (ironically) that it's a good thing guns there have been banned for over 10 years because he would have killed himself years ago - and then stopped talking (somewhat theatrically) and said "hang on, I own that shotgun, why haven't I killed myself with that?"

Somewhat crude, but interesting, I thought...