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d90king
10th August 2009, 11:25
Corzine signs law limiting handgun purchases

By Jonathan Tamari

Inquirer Trenton Bureau
TRENTON - New Jersey will become the fourth state in the nation to limit handgun purchases to one every month. Gov. Corzine signed the controversial measure into law yesterday.

Trenton Mayor Doug Palmer joined Corzine and called on Pennsylvania to become No. 5. The law, which is aimed at slowing gun trafficking, would make life safer in New Jersey and neighboring states by fighting trafficking, he said.

"I just hope Pennsylvanians would make it safer for us by passing this bill," Palmer said at a ceremony outside Trenton City Hall.

The law aims to impede "straw purchasers" - people who have clean records and buy guns legally, then pass them to criminals. The law will take effect in early January but could see some changes before then. A task force is reviewing its potential impact and will make recommendations this fall.

Corzine and gun-control advocates argue that roughly a quarter of what they call "crime guns" recovered in New Jersey come from within the state. It's not clear how many of those came from the type of multiple purchases that Corzine wants to stop. When pressed, the governor said there is anecdotal evidence that people with clean records are making large purchases to help criminals.

"Nothing is more dangerous than to have the proliferation, the vast proliferation, of guns in the hands of individuals who want to perpetrate violence in our communities," Corzine said.

The law would limit handgun purchases to one every 30 days, to a maximum of 13 a year, because of timing quirks. Rifles and other long guns would not be affected.

Exceptions have been carved out for collectors, and a task force has begun meeting to determine if amendments are needed to ensure that people who may need more than one handgun each month - such as competitive shooters - are not restricted.

Critics say the law would impinge on the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens in New Jersey, which already has some of the most strict gun laws in the nation.

"Trying to reduce gun crime by rationing guns to law-abiding citizens is as absurd as trying to reduce drunk driving by rationing cars to non-drinkers," Scott Bach, president of the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs, wrote in an e-mail.

Efforts to enact a similar law in Pennsylvania have failed, and Philadelphia saw its one-handgun-a-month ordinance struck down in court.

Gov. Rendell "couldn't agree more with Gov. Corzine, and he's glad New Jersey was able to sign that important legislation into law," spokesman Ken Snyder said yesterday. Prospects in Pennsylvania for the same legislation to pass are "more difficult," he said.

The nine-person review panel includes two Gloucester County Democrats: Assemblyman John Burzichelli, who voted against the bill, and Sen. Fred Madden, who supported it only after receiving assurances that the task force would study its impact. Burlington County prosecutor Robert Bernardi is also on the study team.

California, Maryland, and Virginia have similar laws.

LINK:
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/20090807_Corzine_signs_law_limiting_handgun_purchases.html

Aguila Blanca
10th August 2009, 11:33
I am somewhat shocked that Virginia would have such a law. California and Maryland are not a surprise.

I can't see how passing such a law in Pennsylvania will make New Jersey any safer, though. I doubt very much that any significant number of crime guns used in NJ came into the state as a result of straw purchases in PA. Naturally, they don't cite any statistics to back up the assertion. Indeed, I'm sure they can't, because I suspect the statistics will refute the argument quite effectively.

kenhwind
10th August 2009, 11:44
Well then the Governors can say "Florida needs to pass a one gun amonth law"
And that is exactly what we'd do buy one gun a month.

d90king
10th August 2009, 11:44
I can't see how passing such a law in Pennsylvania will make New Jersey any safer, though. I doubt very much that any significant number of crime guns used in NJ came into the state as a result of straw purchases in PA. Naturally, they don't cite any statistics to back up the assertion. Indeed, I'm sure they can't, because I suspect the statistics will refute the argument quite effectively.



Their weak argument is that the"criminals" simply ride across the bridge and have someone do a straw purchase. They then ride back across the bridge and commit their crimes with weapons purchased in Pa.

So instead of blaming the multiple crimes that are committed in doing the above scenario on the actual CRIMINAL, they instead blame a state with gun laws that respects the constitutional rights of their citizens...

All that said, Rendell is just plain awful and if he thought he could get it through, he would have no problems signing it.

Old Fashioned
10th August 2009, 12:03
It's interesting to note that they say the law is aimed at "slowing gun trafficking", not illegal gun trafficking. Trafficking applies to normal commerce, ILLEGAL gun trafficking is the problem. They say that one fourth of recovered crime guns come from within the state and that they believe people with clean records are making multiple purchases for criminals. If that is the case, where are the arrests and prosecutions? This is very easy to check on. They are not interested in prosecuting criminals or protecting society, they want to prevent people from being able to purchase a firearm.

kenhwind
10th August 2009, 13:20
Gun Control isn't about "gun control". Its about people control. They ain't the least bit interested in prosecuting the criminals illegal use of firearms, that's contrary to the main goal. Of course when that happens then what; We are all criminals!

I did a research paper many years ago about gun control, unfortunately I misplaced it or tossed it out. Robert Kukla (Bob Kukla) wrote a book back in the seventies "Crime Control not Gun Control"
This is excellent reading. But what is discussed in this book is so true.
I've been reading about gun control for almost 40 years and sometimes it like the same old song.

Inadvertently violating the law is one thing, but violating the law with malicious intent should be dealt with. If 3/4 of all crime is commited by previous offenders than there is something wrong.
Repeat offenders should be in jail, same goes for the "so called straw purchases" which are perfectly legal if you are employed by the Maypr of New York City

d90king
10th August 2009, 13:23
Ken, you make me miss St Augustine each time I read your posts... Is Sonny BBQ still down on the beach at A st?

Mannlicher
25th August 2009, 15:21
"Nothing is more dangerous than to have the proliferation, the vast proliferation, of guns in the hands of individuals who want to perpetrate violence in our communities," Corzine said.

Wrong Gov, nothing is more dangerous than a liberal politician with an anti Freedom agenda. :eb: