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d90king
20th May 2009, 12:32
Loaded guns allowed in national parks under bill

By MATTHEW DALY, AP
Tue May 19, 2:57 PM EDT
The Democratic-controlled Congress is moving to restore a Bush administration policy that allowed loaded guns in national parks.

The Senate voted Tuesday to allow guns in national parks and wildlife refuges, and the House could follow suit as soon as Wednesday.

The measure is included in a popular bill imposing new restrictions on credit card companies. Democratic leaders have said they hope to send a final version to the White House for the president's signature by week's end.

The Senate vote is a stark reversal from what many gun-control advocates expected when a federal judge blocked the Bush policy in March. The decision reinstated restrictions that had been in place since the Reagan administration. The rules severely restrict guns in the national parks, generally requiring them to be locked or stored.

The Obama administration accepted the March 19 ruling, saying that the Interior Department would review the policy over the next several months.

That timetable changed quickly last week after Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn inserted an amendment to the credit card bill that would allow concealed, loaded guns in parks and refuges.

To the surprise of many, the amendment easily passed, winning support from 67 senators — including 27 Democrats. Among those who voted "yes" was Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, who had blocked Coburn's amendment from coming to the Senate floor for more than a year. Seven other Western Democrats voted with Reid to support the Republican senator's amendment, which allows a range of firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges as long as they are allowed by federal, state and local law.

Spokesman Jim Manley said Reid is a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, adding that the guns in parks issue was a major concern for many Nevadans.

"The rules that apply to our federal lands are felt acutely in Nevada, where 87 percent of the state's land is managed by federal agencies," Manley said.

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, which sued to block the Bush policy, called the Senate vote reckless. The group called on President Barack Obama to demand that the gun provision be stripped from the credit card bill.

"Families should not have to stare down loaded AK-47s on nature hikes," said Brady campaign president Paul Helmke. "The president should not remain silent while Congress inserts reckless gun policies that he strongly opposes into a bill that has nothing whatsoever to do with guns."

Helmke and other critics, including environmental groups, park rangers and the Humane Society, say the Coburn amendment goes further than the Bush administration policy that briefly allowed loaded handguns in national parks and refuges. The measure would allow individuals to openly carry rifles, shotguns and even semiautomatic weapons on ranger-led hikes and campfire programs at national parks, the groups said.

Coburn said the gun measure protects every American's Second Amendment rights and also protects the rights of states to pass laws that apply to their entire state, including public lands.

"Visitors to national parks should have the right to defend themselves in accordance with the laws of their states," Coburn said.

House Democratic Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., told reporters on Tuesday that the House could vote separately on the gun legislation. Doing so would allow each measure to pass, but Democrats who endorse credit card reform could still vote as they wished on the gun measure.

Hoyer said the two bills would then be rejoined and sent to the president as a single bill.

Copyright 2009 The Associated Press.

Link:

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20090519/US.Guns.National.Parks/

Tom
20th May 2009, 13:29
Nice to see that this issue is getting bi-partisan support, and I hope it does pass and reaches the President's desk.

d90king
20th May 2009, 14:03
Nice to see that this issue is getting bi-partisan support, and I hope it does pass and reaches the President's desk.
It appears that it should based upon the bill it was attached to.

kenhwind
20th May 2009, 15:48
Well this seems like good news.

rjm713
20th May 2009, 17:17
According to Google news it has passed--on to the CinC for signature.

kenhwind
20th May 2009, 17:37
Blood pressure is rising at Brady HQ.
If Barack wants his credit card bill I guess he'll sign it.

kenhwind
20th May 2009, 19:18
Well I guess its up to the Big O now, he's supposed to sign this bill on Friday.
I doubt very seriously if Barack will veto anything he wants at the moment.

Mannlicher
20th May 2009, 21:35
my guess is that it will wind right back in court, and another Federal Judge, if not the same one, will put it on the back burner.

d90king
20th May 2009, 21:47
my guess is that it will wind right back in court, and another Federal Judge, if not the same one, will put it on the back burner.
A judge ruled on an EO, not a law signed by Congress. It would have to be challenged at an individual state level if the federal law was counter to state law. That said this is a bill for all National or Federal parks not state parks... State law would still outway federal law here. If it is unlawful to carry a firearm in that state I dont believe that this bill changes anything for those states.http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/19/AR2009031902801.html%3Fhpid%3Dmoreheadlines&ct=ga&cd=zlzrkcdAxIk&usg=AFQjCNGgOZK6I6QcKJ-YlzgMqbggvJ6nLA

flyfish
24th May 2009, 21:01
Can't wait to be able to carry more than pepper spray when I backpack Slough Creek in Yellowstone. This issue is a practical safety issue in the back country.

Aguila Blanca
25th May 2009, 23:47
Can't wait to be able to carry more than pepper spray when I backpack Slough Creek in Yellowstone. This issue is a practical safety issue in the back country.
Especially with the proliferation of meth labs and marijuana plantations hidden in less accessible areas on public land. Anyone doing a back-country hiking/camping trip could very much need some firepower if they happened to stumble on a drug operation out there in the boonies.