Walt Minnick No Chance Of Gun Control Getting Through... For Now!

[d90king]

Minnick sees no chance for gun control measures
07:42 PM MDT on Sunday, May 3, 2009
Associated Press
LEWISTON - Walt Minnick says there's no possibility any gun control measures will be passed in the current U.S. Congress.

The Idaho Representative says he's one of 52 conservative "blue dog" Democrats in the House who oppose further gun control.

Minnick says nothing can pass the House without some blue dog support, and that many other representatives are also against increased gun control.

Shooting enthusiasts say fears that the Obama administration might push gun control legislation has boosted gun sales and is driving gun owners to stockpile ammunition.

But Minnick says there are more pressing issues facing Congress than gun control.

Link:

http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-may0309-minnick_guns.17ea89f7.html

[Chilo45]

Now if we can just get FRONT PAGE coverage of stories like these so ammunition prices can come back down from Everest highs.

Thanks for the update (and all of the news stories that you find).

[PhantomAce]

I doubt the gun control issue is dead, nor even "resting" right now.
I'd have to research to find it, but if I recall there's a treaty that Obama wants to sign on to, and it would essentially accomplish a lot of his gun control goals. (Limit firearms sales, tag ammo, etc...)
The scary part is that a Treaty only has to be ratified by the Senate, not the full Congress.
He may just be waiting to sign until Franken takes office.
With Specter switching parties already, if the Dems can get him to toe the line on the treaty, then they'll have the filibuster proof 60 votes from the Dems to make it happen, which is really scary.
No House debate, no changes to existing law, nothing. Just sign, get that idiot Reid to round up his buddies and have a quick vote to ratify, done deal.
Nope, he's still going to try to get it through, but it's just going to come out of left field, totally out of the blue for most people, no warning.

I will try to look it up later this week if I have a chance and will post the info.

EDITS:
Correction: 2/3 Senate needed to ratify, so 60 is filibuster proof, but not enough to pass on it's own.

Info and opinion can be found in the article here: http://mensnewsdaily.com/2009/04/24/gun-law-update-obama-gun-treaty-skirts-congress/

Here's an excerpt from the article:
It is known as CIFTA, the Inter-American Convention Against The Illicit Manufacturing Of And Trafficking In Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, And Other Related Materials. It can be found here verbatim: http://www.oas.org/juridico/English/treaties/a-63.html


Scary, VERY scary. Give it a read.

[Rich-D]

The Constitution gives the Senate the power to approve, by a two-thirds vote, treaties made by the executive branch.

The Senate has rejected relatively few of the hundreds of treaties it has considered in its history. Many others, however, have died in committee or been withdrawn by the president rather than face defeat.

Some presidents have found it helpful to include senators in negotiating treaties in order to help pave the way for later Senate approval.

The requirement for a two-thirds vote ensures that a treaty will need bipartisan support to be approved.

The Senate may also amend a treaty or adopt various changes, which may lead the other nation, or nations, to further negotiate the treaty.

The president may also enter into executive agreements with foreign nations that are not subject to Senate approval.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Treaties.htm


Rich

[d90king]

CIFTA has been around for a while (I am pretty sure it is 10-12 years old)! IT WILL NOT BE SIGNED (or ratified more importantly, I believe we already signed long ago)... If you think that attacking Americans liberties by international treaties is a reality, I would have to disagree at this point in time. We may not be far away but we certainly are not there yet IMHO.

There are other Countries who have signed on yet have not ratified it also... I am pretty sure Canada signed also but never ratified it..

Transnationalism has been being pushed for years... George Soros is a big fan..

[PhantomAce]

I disagree, respectfully...

Clinton signed because he "thought" he had enough support in the Senate, but found out he didn't.
That was an entirely different Senate than we have today though. Some of the same players are still there, yes, but did he EVER have 60 members of his party there during his term?

Never before has an anti-gun administration of this magnitude also had the sway in Congress that our current POTUS has, and he is also going to be nominating the replacement for at least one SC-Justice, and possibly as many as 3.
If he waits until things are a little more favorable to his views in the Senate (Franken gets in office), and then gets a SCJ or 2 swung in over the next year or so, then it will simply be a matter of a pen-stroke and it'll be up to a Dem controlled Senate and liberal SCOTUS.

This won't happen tomorrow, but I bet that if pressure and visibility isn't applied NOW, we'll wake up one morning and find out that it's been signed and is on it's way to the Senate for radification.
And, once the legal challenges do come up, hmmm, who decides Constitutional issues again?

This is very scary IMHO.

[d90king]

I disagree, respectfully...

Clinton signed because he "thought" he had enough support in the Senate, but found out he didn't.
That was an entirely different Senate than we have today though. Some of the same players are still there, yes, but did he EVER have 60 members of his party there during his term?

Never before has an anti-gun administration of this magnitude also had the sway in Congress that our current POTUS has, and he is also going to be nominating the replacement for at least one SC-Justice, and possibly as many as 3.
If he waits until things are a little more favorable to his views in the Senate (Franken gets in office), and then gets a SCJ or 2 swung in over the next year or so, then it will simply be a matter of a pen-stroke and it'll be up to a Dem controlled Senate and liberal SCOTUS.

This won't happen tomorrow, but I bet that if pressure and visibility isn't applied NOW, we'll wake up one morning and find out that it's been signed and is on it's way to the Senate for radification.
And, once the legal challenges do come up, hmmm, who decides Constitutional issues again?

This is very scary IMHO.

Clinton didn't have the votes with a majority and neither does Obama. I am in no way saying that it is not very scary and getting closer and closer...

We recently had a justice serving SCOTUS, that said that international law should be considered when looking at American cases.

My point is more that the composition of the Senate just wont allow it.
There are to many Democrats that will not hand our constitution over to the UN anytime soon.

With todays media regardless of the bias, there is just to much coverage in todays day and age for this to just sneak through while you are asleep. You have to remember that politicians love their power and because of that they have gotten smarter in which battles they will fight. They fight the battles that will keep them in power, not the ones that have huge risk and downside. The last time they chose this fight they got swept out of power.

I think I am just a little more of an optimistic...

[colddeadhands61]

Minnick sees no chance for gun control measures
07:42 PM MDT on Sunday, May 3, 2009
Associated Press
LEWISTON - Walt Minnick says there's no possibility any gun control measures will be passed in the current U.S. Congress.

The Idaho Representative says he's one of 52 conservative "blue dog" Democrats in the House who oppose further gun control.

Minnick says nothing can pass the House without some blue dog support, and that many other representatives are also against increased gun control.

Shooting enthusiasts say fears that the Obama administration might push gun control legislation has boosted gun sales and is driving gun owners to stockpile ammunition.

But Minnick says there are more pressing issues facing Congress than gun control.

Link:

http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-may0309-minnick_guns.17ea89f7.html
I don't believe for a minute that the "gun control" issue is dead for now. The government puts stories like this out hoping we will become complacent.
Has anyone tried to buy ammo lately? I have to give President Obama credit. He all but stopped target shooting just by being elected. In Florida you either can't find ammo, or it's way over priced. People here aren't shooting. They feel if they use up their supply, you might not be able to find or afford more.

[d90king]

I don't believe for a minute that the "gun control" issue is dead for now. The government puts stories like this out hoping we will become complacent.
Has anyone tried to buy ammo lately? I have to give President Obama credit. He all but stopped target shooting just by being elected. In Florida you either can't find ammo, or it's way over priced. People here aren't shooting. They feel if they use up their supply, you might not be able to find or afford more.

I always agree that we must stay vigilant in being proactive in protecting our 2a and other rights. If you notice the title to the thread says "For Now"... That was my opinion not based on the article I posted.

Ammo and firearms are becoming more plentiful around here. The price of ammo is high but I am seeing more of it sit around at higher prices. I think as this continues to happen it will start to drive prices back down.

There are also a lot more Black Rifles in the racks locally. At one of my stops they have had a LMT for $1399 for a week. A couple months back that rifle would have sold in 5 minutes for $1600-1800. I think we have reached somewhat of a saturation point.

If you need ammo let me know, I can send you some links to ammo at market prices... 7.62X39 and .223 are available .45 ammo cans 1k per can are also around..

[kenhwind]

Living in "Hurricane Alley" there is always a calm before the storm. DO NOT think for one MINUTE that the liberal ELITE ain't gonna try and BAN your guns. ALL OF THEM!
If you ain't got ammo its you're own fault!

[PhantomAce]

ken:
I've got "some", but it isn't much.
Couple hundred rounds 45, few hundred 9mm, that's it.
I can protect the house, but range trips are difficult to justify without being able to restock.
You can't find it here these days, not unless you want to spend $1 a round.

colddead has a point...

[kenhwind]

Well I was a bit sarcastic, I reload, but I will agree that shooting factory or store bought ammo is
tuff if it can't be replaced.

i stocked up on ...45s and 38 Supers a year or so ago. Right now I cant even afford to drive to the range.

[Mannlicher]

Rep Minnick would fold in a heartbeat, if Pelosi pulls his chain. He can posture all he wants, but when the chips are down, dhimmicrats vote as they are told, or they A. lose their committee assignments, and B. they don't get help from the party when its election time.