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d90king
24th April 2009, 20:37
Interesting article on BO's AWB being a dead end in congress.

Obama’s goal of permanently renewing the ban appears to be a longshot

Gregory Bull / AP file
In this Nov. 2008 photo, a soldier stands guard during a presentation of seized weapons. Mexico insists the U.S. do more to stop the gun smuggling that is arming the world's most powerful drug cartels with U.S. assault rifles.

By Pete Williams
Justice correspondent
NBC News
updated 2:14 p.m. ET, Fri., April 24, 2009


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WASHINGTON - Campaigning before a church congregation on Chicago’s South Side one Sunday in July 2007, Barack Obama said an epidemic of big city violence was “sickening the soul of this nation.”

Among the potential cures, he said, was permanently reinstating a ban on assault weapons.

One-hundred days into his presidency, President Obama says it remains a goal. But it is one the White House has been forced to abandon.

Voices of agreement
President Obama and Vice-President Biden, “support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent,” the White House website declares. Shortly after taking office, members of the Obama cabinet added their voices of agreement.

At his first news conference as attorney general, Eric Holder said, “there are just a few gun-related changes what we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban.”

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton endorsed the idea during her trip to Mexico in late March. “These assault weapons, these military-style weapons, don’t belong on anyone’s street,” she said.

But the fire has gone out of President Obama’s goal of restricting the availability of firearms. “I don’t know of any plans,” said White House spokesman Robert Gibbs, to seek an assault weapons ban from Congress.

Attorney General Holder admitted as much when asked, during a recent session with reporters, whether he expected any push for a ban this year to curb the flow of guns from the United States to Mexico.

His answer could have come straight from the National Rifle Association: “I think what we’re going to do is to try to, obviously, enforce the laws on the books.”

Support evaporated
Congress imposed a ban on what it called assault weapons in 1994, outlawing the sale and importation of 19 military-style weapons, copycat models with similar features, and high-capacity ammunition magazines. In a compromise with Republicans, the Democrats who controlled Congress agreed to let it expire in ten years unless it was renewed. By 2004, with Republicans in charge, support had evaporated.

Democrats again control Congress, and a Democrat is once more in the White House, the same conditions that allowed the ban to be imposed 15 years ago. But the make-up of Congress is different, with little appetite for restricting gun ownership.

The Senate’s majority leader is a westerner, Harry Reid of Nevada, where gun control is political poison. And though the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, comes from the more liberal San Francisco, she has shown no enthusiasm for reviving the assault weapons ban because of opposition among her colleagues.

Sixty-five House Democrats wrote Attorney General Holder in mid-March, saying they “would actively oppose any effort to reinstate the 1994 ban” and predicting “a long and divisive fight” if the administration tried to push for one. Many of them represent rural districts, where gun control is no more popular than in Nevada.

Calderon: 'The future of Mexico is at stake'
April 15: Mexican President Felipe Calderon tells NBC's Andrea Mitchell he's cleaning house "top to bottom" in Mexico, and would like to see the U.S. enforce its gun laws.
MSNBC

By the time President Obama made his trip to Mexico, he conceded the battle would be futile. “None of us are any illusion that reinstating that ban would be easy.”

“What we’re focused on is how we can improve our enforcement of existing laws,” he said.

Straw buyers
Enforcement of the nation’s gun laws is primarily the responsibility of ATF, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. Its agents and inspectors check to see that gun dealers obey laws governing sales. They look for evidence of “straw buyers” – people legally entitled to buy guns who then sell them to criminals or others who don’t want any records tying them to a specific gun.

ATF says such buyers are responsible for a large proportion of guns that wind up in the hands of violent drug cartels in Mexico.

“These illegal purchases,” ATF’s William Newell told Congress last month, are “a key source and supply of firearms for drug traffickers.”

The best way to improve enforcement of existing gun laws, said one veteran ATF agent, is to put more badges on the street.

“Give us more people to inspect gun dealers, looking for straw buyers, in the states where the guns smuggled into Mexico are coming from,” he says.

The number of ATF inspectors has remained remarkably flat in the past two decades, while support staffing has grown in other federal agencies, including the FBI and Drug Enforcement Administration.

ATF had 764 inspectors in 1990. It has 771 today.

The number of ATF agents has risen 32% during the same period, but it is a comparatively small agency. ATF has 2,441 agents today, compared to the FBI’s 13,040 and the DEA’s 5,235.

It’s no accident that the size of ATF’s inspections force has remained flat. The NRA has successfully fought efforts to expand inspections, claiming that licensed firearms dealers have been harassed.

“Despite its crime-fighting mission,” a recent report from the Congressional Research Service dryly observed, “ATF’s business relationships with the firearms industry and larger gun-owning community have been a perennial source of tension.”

If new agents are hired, says the NRA’s Wayne LaPierre, “You need to make sure they’re directed to go after the bad guys, because owning firearms is a right in the United States, and what you don’t want to do is harass law abiding people.”

The NRA is on a roll. The Supreme Court ruled last year that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right of gun ownership, not merely the right of organized militias to arm themselves.

Unless the mid-term election brings a substantial change in the composition of Congress, an assault weapons ban has little chance of becoming law under Barack Obama, and ATF will not be able to count on a larger force of agents and inspectors.

Gun control, once considered a soccer-mom issue popular in suburban America, is again radioactive.


Link:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30389664

Rich-D
24th April 2009, 21:19
Gun control, once considered a soccer-mom issue popular in suburban America, is again radioactive.

Gun Owners are the Plutonium Core that politicians should not attempt to compress into political reaction! Gun Owners! http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc267/Rich-D345/29_3_161.gif

Rich

Chilo45
25th April 2009, 22:50
Reality Strikes Washington, D.C. Gun Control Activists -

Based on the total number of guns sold so far this year and the current lack of sufficient inventory of ammunition and reloading supplies (at anywhere near market value prices), it seems that those in Washington, DC bound to limit our Constitution right to gun ownership are facing the reality that American citizens are speaking with their pocketbooks in record numbers: So you think you can limit and/or reduce my right to buy a gun / Well I'll show you / See what we did / More guns sold in the first 3-1/2 months of the year than ever before / We are supporting our economy and supporting our Constitutional right.

Any political figure would be "kissing their re-election possibilities" goodbye if they were to advance anti-anything gun legislation. It isn't rocket science to see that Americans are supporting their right to bear arms in record numbers. Washington, D.C. uses statistics to prove their points but when it comes to guns they can't come up with anything semi-reasonable today.

While I do not believe that this buying trend will continue, the efforts of every single gun owner to force the reality of gun ownership into the communications with their elected representatives must be forefront to keep the Freedom Fire burning.

Smokey Bear says, "Only You Can Prevent Forest Fires" We need a figure representing our Freedom that says, "Only You Can Prevent Erosion of your Constitutional Rights".

Aguila Blanca
25th April 2009, 23:35
ATF says such buyers are responsible for a large proportion of guns that wind up in the hands of violent drug cartels in Mexico.

“These illegal purchases,” ATF’s William Newell told Congress last month, are “a key source and supply of firearms for drug traffickers.”

The best way to improve enforcement of existing gun laws, said one veteran ATF agent, is to put more badges on the street.

“Give us more people to inspect gun dealers, looking for straw buyers, in the states where the guns smuggled into Mexico are coming from,” he says.
Better yet -- lay off all the BATFE firearms guys, and give the money saved on their salaries to Mexico to hire agents to search incoming vehicles at the border.

How many guns get smuggled into Mexico is not my problem. My problem is how many Mexicans get smuggled into the United States.

Rich-D
25th April 2009, 23:59
Hmmmm! The Folks in here appear to possess more intelligence than the folks in government.

Rich

Frank
26th April 2009, 00:59
And maybe Mexico needs to find ways to deal with their problems -- other than blaming them on us that is.

daveohno
26th April 2009, 04:37
And maybe Mexico needs to find ways to deal with their problems -- other than blaming them on us that is.
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But it's so much easier to blame someone else for your troubles. And besides, we have a huge number of people here that want to accept blame for anything that comes down the road.

In my neck of the woods, these gun grabbers would still have their jobs after the election, even if they passed an assault weapons ban and other other restrictive measures four weeks before the election. In some parts of the country they'd pay for it with their job, but not here. And some gun owners would still vote for them. I have a relative that voted early last election, he voted for the gun grabber over a 2nd ammendment supporter and he's a gun guy! I scolded him about it, he didn't realize there was a whit of difference between the two. He was pro gun rights before I was! He just wasn't paying attention. We have to warn people early now, that darn early ballot stuff makes us have to warn people earlier than ever.

Rich-D
26th April 2009, 07:10
I have a relative that voted early last election, he voted for the gun grabber over a 2nd ammendment supporter and he's a gun guy! I scolded him about it, he didn't realize there was a whit of difference between the two. He was pro gun rights before I was! He just wasn't paying attention. We have to warn people early now, that darn early ballot stuff makes us have to warn people earlier than ever

I just posted the Individual GOA Rating on our U.S. Senator's and Representatives at:
http://www.gun-politics.org/showthread.php?t=180

Rich

d90king
26th April 2009, 11:09
How many guns get smuggled into Mexico is not my problem. My problem is how many Mexicans get smuggled into the United States.



Blunt and to the point.....

d90king
26th April 2009, 11:13
And maybe Mexico needs to find ways to deal with their problems -- other than blaming them on us that is.
When has that ever happened before....? Its much easier to just point the finger north. The sad part is our Secretary of State and AG help perpetuate their lies...

Mannlicher
27th April 2009, 22:28
the only thing that is keeping the liberal anti gun folks from realizing their dreams, is our vigilance.

kenhwind
27th April 2009, 23:22
Obama isn't going to go after an Assault Weapons Ban, they are going to go after an All Weapons Ban. The silence on this issue is a smoke screen.
But Mannlicher is also correct.

daveohno
27th April 2009, 23:53
the only thing that is keeping the liberal anti gun folks from realizing their dreams, is our vigilance.
I used to think that just voting was enough. But now it's not. I started talking to people several years ago about these issues and after talking to a co worker that is very active on his issues, I believe I need to do just a little more in the future than I have done in the past. I guess my acivism really began in earnest when I became a life member of the NRA a couple of years ago. I have reluctantly made calls in the past to complain to elected officials, I am going to continue to do so, still reluctantly, but far more regularly because if I don't, who will do it for me?

Rich-D
28th April 2009, 00:48
I have found utilizing e-mails to be more effective than phone calls. I make it clear on the subject line the nature of the communication eg: I disagree with your Anti-Gun Views or In agreement with your Pro Gun Stance!

I have received replies from all, with one exception. the Office of the current President!

Rich

d90king
28th April 2009, 14:25
the only thing that is keeping the liberal anti gun folks from realizing their dreams, is our vigilance.
Now with Specter flipping our job has gotten that much harder...