"Shooting Back the Right and Duty of Self -Defense"

[kenhwind]

This is quite interesting, I ve read this story before, but it is worth reviewing again IMO
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=94591

[d90king]

It has also happened here twice not that long ago.

Once in a church in Co:

(CNN) -- A gunman attacked worshippers at a Colorado Springs, Colorado, megachurch Sunday afternoon, killing one person and wounding four others before being killed by a security staff member, the city's police chief said.

Police would not discuss whether there was any connection between the church shootings and an attack on a missionary training center outside Denver about 12 hours earlier that left two people dead and two wounded.

The gunman in that incident was still unknown.

Chief Richard Myers called the Colorado Springs church security staffer "a courageous security staff member who probably saved many lives."

He said some of the shooting victims being treated at the hospital have life-threatening injuries.

Several "suspicious devices" were found at the church, Myers said.

SWAT teams were clearing the multiple buildings at New Life Church, along with an explosives unit, he said.

Rev. Brady Boyd, senior pastor of New Life Church, said the church had a security plan in place.

"I'm proud of the way our team responded," he said. "Many, many lives were saved because of the quick action of some committed volunteers at our church." Watch as a church member describes what he saw »

He said about 7,000 people were at the church, which had just completed a late-morning service, when the shooting took place shortly after 1 p.m.

The wounded were taken to Penrose-St. Francis Hospital, where two were in critical condition, Howard said. Another patient was in good condition and one fair, hospital spokeswoman Amy Sufak said.

Police spokesman Lt. Fletcher Howard said area businesses were placed on lockdown after the shooting "to make sure there's not any other suspects at large."

As of Sunday afternoon there was no known connection between the two Colorado shootings, Howard said, but he did not rule out that possibility. Arvada, site of the missionary training center, and Colorado Springs are about 80 miles apart.

Howard said investigators are expecting detectives from Arvada to come to Colorado Springs to check for any connections between the two cases.

In Arvada, police said they were investigating whether there was any link between the two fatal shootings.

"Obviously, two shootings at two faith-based locations is very concerning to both us and Colorado Springs," said Deputy Police Chief Gary Creager.



New Life Church is on the northwestern outskirts of Colorado Springs, near the U.S. Air Force Academy. The non-denominational church claims a membership of more than 10,000.

The church was founded by the Rev. Ted Haggard, an evangelical Christian leader who was ousted in 2006 after allegations that he had been a client of a male prostitute from whom he had purchased drugs. Haggard admitted to undisclosed "sexual immorality" and called himself "a deceiver and a liar" in a letter to the congregation.

Link:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/09/church.shooting/index.html

A second time at a Law School in Va:

It is a Wilki link so I wont bother quoting...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_School_of_Law_shooting

[Rich-D]

A big http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc267/Rich-D345/29_3_161.gif
For those who confront Armed killers!

Rich

[d90king]

It's called doing the "right" thing.

[GunownersSA]

Interesting... Charl is also on the executive of Gunowners SA.

It takes great moral courage to stand up with a 38 snubby when the terrorists are brandishing AKs.

[Worthme]

Trouble is today, is that the police, in most big cities believe that only they should shoot back.

It is amazing to me how we have let the Police come to believe this. Today any armed citizen in any big city is viewed as a threat to the police and therefore the general population.

Quote from Ed Flynn, Chief of Police in Milwaukee. "Only felons carry guns." (referring to the 'open carry' issue ) and " anyone carrying a gun in Milwaukee will be taken to the ground, the gun taken away and then we will find out if it is legal."

Note: the Attorney General of Wisconsin said, "open carry is legal in Wisconsin." And Ed Flynn responded as he did.

[GunownersSA]

Quite simply, someone has to bring charges against that police chief!

Surely if a police officer were to follow the police chief's instructions and take down an innocent civilian that would constitute assault. The chief is therfore inciting his officers to commit a criminal offence. That in itself is a criminal offence.

Someone needs to bring charges against the chief for incitement to committ.

If nobody does, then that is exactly how we have arrived at this police state scenario... because nobody has demonstrated to the police what the limits of their powers are. They're like small children, they will get away with whatever we allow them to get away with.

[Rich-D]

Not to give the wrong impression to our friends from South Africa and around the globe. The Chief of Police in Milwaukee is an exception, in that he is violating the laws of Wisconsin. While many of our large cities are in more restrictive gun law states. There are many more in States that do not have such restrictive laws.

However, No matter the jurisdiction the Police have a sworn duty to enforce the law, not make the law.

[Aguila Blanca]

Rich-D, Chief Flynn is not really much of an exception. It is true that recently the news has reported a couple of sheriffs who have responded to budget cuts reducing their manpower by advocating that people in their jurisdiction buy a gun ... but sheriffs are the chief law enforcement officers in counties, which more or less by definition are less urban areas. The National Association of Chiefs of Police in general has never encountered an anti-gun law it didn't support.

When you consider that most chiefs were once patrol officers, you have to wonder how it is that so many of them are completely out of synch with the mood of the populace they (allegedly) serve, as well as their own staffs. There have been numerous instances when a new anti-gun law has been proposed when the police "brass" has come out against it while the officers on the street have been in favor of it. The dichotomy is amazing.

[Dial 1911 for Help]

I've long wondered about that too, AB. I can only surmise that, like in many organizations, the best *** kissers, the most politically minded and skillful, rather than those best at their job, rise to the top. Then, even when someone gets all that way just on sheer merit, he's exposed to a lot more politics and a lot more political pressure to tow the statist line than are the rank and file. He serves at the pleasure of the politicians.